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Sunday, September 9, 2018

(1) FORTY DOLLARS FOR THESE TWIGS? HOLY SHIT!

5/19/2017  Note to visitors:  I had told Kathie I wished I had a photographic memory, so I could preserve my conversations with funny Jack.  She said, "I have a tape recorder I'm not using."  

     Jack was a fifty-two-year-old widower, and I was a year younger when we met in June of 1972.   In those days, Parents without Partners excluded from membership people whose children were over eighteen — female people, that is.  Males, with or without children, were welcomed as long as they weren’t comatose.  protested and persisted until finally I was steered toward a branch in Stoughton that accepted me despite the advanced ages of my progeny.     
     The first social event I attended was a cookout. We strangers milled around in the host’s back yard, smiling brightly at each other, having nothing in common except our loneliness.  It began to rain, so we migrated to the rumpus room in the basement.  After a while, I noticed we had been joined by a tall man with gray hair and glasses. "Well, here's another one," I thought, glancing at him casually.  ("You looked at me," Jack said later.)
     He appeared far from prepossessing (interesting word), but that was because I didn't know him.  When you're not in love, you can be quite blind.  As weeks went by and my vision cleared, Jack began to look more and more like Paul Newman.
     During our first conversation, we had hardly exchanged names and a word or two when a debonair individual with dark, slicked-back hair asked me to dance.  "Let's get away from this crowd," he murmured in my ear, tangoing me toward the stairway.  It had stopped raining, so he drew together a couple of patio chairs, took my hand, and began explaining why I was so fortunate to have met him.  While he was talking, I had the weird but insistent feeling that I was being unfaithful to Jack.  I knew he was worried about where I had gone and what I was doing.  I stood up, said I was going back to the party, and left.  Jack was waiting.
     For the first few months, I frequently excused myself and ran to the notebook I kept in a bedroom drawer. 
Examples of scribbled notes:
J:  Feeling self-conscious about my habit of watching him leave the house:  I wish I could just turn a couple of somersaults and end up in the car.
B: (Saying goodbye on the telephone)  Okay, Jack, I'll talk to you later.
J:  When will that be?
(At Migis Lodge in Maine)
      We went shopping to get some shorts for Jack.  I headed for the camera department to see if I could get my Nikon fixed and fifteen minutes later met him in the men's department.  He'd had a typical Jackish adventure.  A woman standing near him had been talking away, not realizing her husband had drifted to another department.  Suddenly she looked around, stared at Jack and said, "He's gone!"
      "I know it.  I didn't know quite how to tell you.  I knew it would be a shock.  But I've been listening in case you had any questions."
(phone conversation about alarm going off at 6:00 a.m.)
J:  Did it wake you up, angel?  You should have seen me strangling that thing.  The button is so little, it's hard to find, you know, so I just grabbed the whole thing and squeezed. With both hands, of course.  Poor little thing.  The way I pounced on it, it was like I was trying to throttle someone who was screaming.  Both of my hands over its mouth, hoping you wouldn't hear.  Someone should have been around with a camera.

     I was trying to combine smooching with figuring out how to rewind the film on my new Nik- kormat.  Jack felt he should have my full attention and finally said sternly:  "Do you want me to take away all your camera equipment?"

J:  I figured I'd put off calling you until I thought you'd suffered enough.  When I called and said, "Okay if I come over tonight?" and you said "Uh-uh!" I thought, well, she just hasn't suffered enough yet.
B:  The reason I don't call you when we're having a fight is because I know you're not suffering because if you were, you'd call me.
J:  I've got to think that over.  Somehow I have a feeling it means I can't win.

     I came home to an empty house and found a pretty pair of black wrought iron candlesticks on the kitchen table.  The short green candles had been lit, and a card from Jack was signed, "It's nice to have my own angel for Christmas."  Displeased with his running-out-of-ink effect, he had written underneath with another pen:
     "I said, `It's nice to have my own angel for Christmas.'"
     I tried to reach Jack to thank him, but his phone was out of order.  Later he told me he began worrying when he didn't hear from me.  He had visions of the candlesticks toppling over, a blaze starting, and the firemen looking at the candlesticks and shaking their heads:  "What jerk left lighted candles in an empty house?"
     Jack thought to himself, "That would really be the end, if I burned her house down. She'd say, `That's it, Jack.'"

J:  The first few days after our fight I'd say to myself, "So what."  In fact, I was so mad at you that when a customer came in and it turned out her name was Barbara, I felt like punching her in the nose.  There she sat, as innocent as can be, while I thought, "You want a loan?  Try and get it.  You'd like to open an account?  Hah!"
    Then all of a sudden, almost overnight, it seems, it becomes vitally important that I see you.  I can't stand another minute away from you.  And I say to myself, "What happened between yesterday and today, Jack, to cause this big change?"  
B:  How about the times when you're not mad at me, and a customer named Barbara comes in.  What do you say to yourself then?
J:  Awww . . . her name is Bar-bar-a!  What a co-in-ci-dence!

    This week one radiant spring day has followed another.  Kathie told me her neighbor, Richard Myette, got up one morning, looked outside, and reported to his still a-bed wife, "The sun is stuck."
     To Jack I was reporting that my golf was terrible, I couldn't hit a drive, I couldn't sink a putt, my scores were 120 and up.
     Toward the end of the week, the weather continued to be beautiful, and my golf continued to be rotten.  Jack listened patiently to my complaints.
      Finally he said, "I've been thinking about your problems and I believe I have a solution.  Why don't you marry me and let me take you away from all that?"

     Then there was the time I'd gone to a movie with the husband I'd asked for a trial separation.  I got home in time to pick up the phone on the third ring. “Hello?  Hello”  Silence.  Finally a voice said tentatively, "Hello?"
     "Jack, why didn't you answer right away? I thought--"
    “I figured you wouldn't be home yet and started to hang up.  Then I thought I'd wait for one more ring."    
     "Well gee, I thought you were a sex maniac."
     "I'll do my best."
         I said to my daughter, “He’s such a droll guy, I wish there were a way to preserve his wit.  I don’t have time to write letters or keep a journal.”        
     Kathie said, “I have a tape recorder I’m not using. . . .”
     When I heard Jack’s car pull into my driveway, I'd turn on the machine as automatically as I gave the mirror a last-minute check to make sure my hairpiece was on straight.  Okay, you're passable for a 51-year-old broad,  the mirror conceded.   Let’s go, hummed the tape recorder. 
     For the first few months our dialogue was dominated by mutual avowals of love -- nauseating to any ears but ours.  ("I have never in my life felt about anyone the way I feel about you."  "I feel exactly the same way.") Then something unexpected began happening--Jack and I would forget about the eavesdropper in the kitchen. Our turtle-dove billings and cooings were interspersed with the dissonant sharps and flats of dis-harmony concerning the double standard, politics, the new morality, feminism, homosexuality, transvestism, marijuana, the Vietnam War, and Watergate.  Also on tape were disputes about my volunteering, first for Community Sex Information, in Brookline, then for Boston’s suicide prevention center, the Samaritans. 
      Our arguments often escalated from raised voices to shouting matches that culminated in a chilly departure instead of the usual farewell embrace . After a quarrel, the machine would fall silent until one of us realized the folly of his ways and called with new jests.  Occasionally I turned it on when Ed paid a visit.  In all fairness I would give him my version of his Miranda Rights, but he was never one to remain silent for long.   His courtship, after years of baffling detachment, was turning my life into an implausible movie script. The change was so refreshing, I thought I’d died and gone to the Emerald City. 

B (looking out kitchen window)  There’s Ed’s car now.  While I’m gone you can play with this if you want to.  
J   I’d rather play with you. 
B   Later, I promise.  Push the left button for Record and this one for the mike.  If you get hungry—
JACK AND THE EAVESDROPPER
J   I won’t get hungry, I’ll get lonesome.  Where are you flying today?    
 B   Martha’s Vineyard.  I’ll be back in a couple of hours. [Beep from driveway]  Before I leave, I need a couple of hours worth of kisses.
J    Me too. . . .                                               

J    It’s Sunday afternoon, and I’ve decided to record some-thing on this . . . this thing.  I’m alone, as I wanted it to be.
      I find myself. . .  for the first time. . .  resenting your husband.  It seems to me that I should be with you when
you’re  . . when you’re not with me.  I don’t know if I should say that again and express it better.         
     I suppose there will be days in the future you will not be a part of.  . .  those are days I’d rather not be a part of either. . . .             

Persuading  Jack to share a bowl of pot-laced pudding was like asking him to eat caterpillars.  
B   Why aren't you eating your pudding? 
J    Because it doesn't look edible.  What is this little wormy thing?
B   It's probably something good, Jack. 
J   Eugh!  What’s in here? 
B   Just pudding, peanuts, and pot.  Let's see, it's quarter of nine.  By quarter of ten we should be in outer space.
(Jack hums a few bars of "It's quarter to ten.")
B   Jack, it isn't Silly Putty, it's pudding.
J    I know it's pudding.
B   Will you stop playing with it and take a bite?  Dip your spoon in and put it in your mouth.  Like this, see?  
J    How much pot is in here? 
B   About a cigarette and a half.
J    How much did this stuff cost? 
B   Twenty dollars an ounce, forty altogether.
J    You paid forty dollars for these twigs?  Holy shit!
B   So don’t waste your precious pudding.  If you don't eat your dessert, I'm not going to give you your main meal.
J   You say there's peanuts in here, too? 
B   If you feel anything crunchy, it's a peanut.  Come on, Jack, you're being difficult.  I'll feel terrible when I leave you way behind in another half hour. You‘ll be staying here when I take off.
J   You won't take off.  We'll eat this and we'll get sick, but nothing will happen.
B   Other people don’t get sick.  You shouldn't be letting me eat this pudding if you're not going to eat yours.
J   Why?
B  'Cause I don't want to get high all by myself.  Where’s your sense of adventure?
J   I try to leave it at home when I come here.  Is this a recipe for pot or for pudding?  Are the nuts in there because of the pot?
B   No, this was supposed to be Butterscotch Banana Delight, and I didn't have any bananas, but the recipe did mention peanuts.  Then you're supposed to fold in whipped cream, and I didn't have any whipped cream. JACK, WHERE ARE YOU GOING?
J   What are you hollerin' for!  I wasn't going far.  There's a movie about Christ on TV.
B   Eat your pudding and then you can see it.
J   Gee.  Fifty‑two years old and I gotta eat my pudding before I can watch television.
B   Would it taste better with a little cream on it?  
J    It wouldn't taste any worse.  I wish I could get it down quickly.  Pour it down somehow.
B   I don't think it's that bad.  It's easier than smoking it.
J   That's your opinion.  Twenty dollars!
B  Did you listen to that tape I gave you?
J   Was there a lot of loud talking?
B  One of us was kind of loud.
  One of us?  You, you mean?  You have a faculty of being louder than whoever is loud.  I mean I can be loud, but then above that I hear you.
B   One of the things about listening to a tape, you find things out about yourself.
J    That's right.  What have you found out about yourself?
B   That I get loud when I feel strongly about something and I'm trying to make a point, and I really should be able to make it without raising my voice.
 J   Well, you could possibly work on at least waiting until whoever is talking finishes—[oh, well, that's why I have to talk louder]—the sentence. 
B   By then I might be reaching my point.
J    No, you wouldn't.   I'm glad I’ve never been able to throw up.  This is something I wouldn't want to taste a second time.
B    You should have told me you had an aversion to butterscotch pudding.  I wonder what it would be good in.  I didn't think it was bad in the brownies.
J    I didn't think it was bad in the brownies, either.
B   But you said you were going to get sick if you had one more bite.  What can you eat two of without getting sick?  [Milk.]  Do you want some milk?  
J   Yes.  This is only one and a half cigarettes?
B   I guess the cooking shrunk it.  Tim's friend said to cook it until it started smoking.  I probably should have been trying to inhale the smoke instead of wasting it.
J    Have you finished your pudding?  
B   Almost gone.
J    Did you eat all those nuts?
B   I thought the nuts were good for disguising all those branches.  What are you picking out of there, a peanut or a twig?
 J   I don’t think it was pot, it was string-like. . . .
~~
B  I was looking for something in my desk, and I found this envelope addressed to Vonnie when she was living in California. It was almost exactly a year before I met you.  I had sent her these pictures and told her she could throw them away.  They were to give her an idea of what I'd been doing in my darkroom.  Vonnie knows I like to save old letters, so when she came home, she returned the ones I'd sent her.
J   (Looking at snapshots)  Where's this? 
B   That's our condominium in Fort Lauderdale, taken from the marina. 
J    Dad?  That stick figure on the on the balcony is Dad?  How did you know that? 
B   Who else would be there?  And that's the view from our balcony, looking down at the Yankee Clipper Hotel.
J   That's a pun, right? 
B   Right.  Here’s a picture of Mother.  I sat her in front of the hawthorn tree.  Everything blossoms beautifully along about April.
J   And there's Kathie lying beside the pool.  Well gee, that's really nice.  Nice pictures of your mother and  Kathie.  This is a letter that you . . .                                                                            



                                      
B   Sent to Vonnie.
J  (reading from letter) What are "the little blue pills"? 
B   They were antidepressants suggested by my psychiatrist, and I didn't want to take them.  I didn't like the idea of relying on something like that.  But things got very bad here one night.  Timmy was here and Ed became very unpleasant, and I said to him, "We haven't seen Timmy in a long time.  Can't we please try to have a nice, agreeable evening?" 
    He said, "I'm not making any promises."  And I ended up crying, and Timmy ended up crying, and I finally said, "Well, look, I'm going to try those pills and see if that makes any difference."  And about that time, I did.  Six months after I found the letter.
J   And those pills were called Elavil?
B   Yes.  I'm so glad I don't have to take them anymore, Jack.  That's what you've done for me, baby.
Did you notice what I got in the mail?.
J   I saw that.  That's a disgusting book.  The Joy of Sex.
B   But it is a joy, Jack.        
J  "Refreshing and wholesome,"  it says.  Maybe for you, it might be all right, but I don't like pictures like that.  I don't.  Now don't look so. . . so mis-understanding.   Do you like pictures like that?
B   I think a lobster dinner is delicious and I like looking at a picture of a lobster dinner.  If I can revel in the joy of eating a lobster dinner, I don’t see why there's something indecent—"
J   Okay, you're  really honest and open, and I can’t be, evidently. 
B   I don't think it's something you'd look at with just anybody.  You'd look at with someone you love.
J   No, I couldn't do that with you.  I just couldn't.  .
B   You can do the thing, but you can't look at the picture of the thing.
J   That's right, that's right ['Cause it's in the dark?]  It doesn't, no, it has nothing to do with, I don't want to see myself—I don't need that.  I don't need to— [laughter]  I know I don't like it, that's all.  [Poor Jack.]  Don't "Poor Jack" me.  This is what you picked up that day in the bookstore?
B   Yes.  And slammed shut again.  [I'm glad.]  It startled me, but since then I've seen it during my course for Community Sex Information..  At meetings people were sitting and reading it and I looked over their shoulders.  Marcia, that girl you talked to when we had a meeting here, is the most conservative of us all.  She thought it was great.
J   She can't be conservative if she's devouring that book.
B   She's married, and anything people do when they're married or like us, it's all right. 
J   I didn't say that it wasn't, I'm saying she can't be too conservative.
B   She's conservative about things like new lifestyles.  She's kind of Ladies' Home Journal-ish.  When I was in a small group discussing my marriage going on the rocks and Ed’s other women, she said, "Well, something must have been wrong at home."  That's  typical of the Ladies' Home Journal.  If you don't go around with curlers in your hair and cold cream on your face and keep your figure, your husband will never wander.
J    I would resent her saying that.
B   Oh yes, I resented it.  
      Ed called with some news.  He’s found a cottage at the Vineyard that he wants me to come and look at tomorrow.
J    What do you mean, cottage at the Vineyard?
B   He flew over there today and a realtor showed it to him. It's not directly on the water, but it’s on a salt marsh with a distant view. 
This is is to be  purchased?  
B  No, he'll be renting it. . . .                                                               
4-26-73
B   When I went to that seminar about divorce and separation, we finally reached the nitty‑gritty about the fourth or fifth week, how do you meet people?  All the guys said the same thing to us.  "You could walk into any cocktail lounge and you wouldn't have a bit of trouble.”  But in the same breath they said this was the last place they'd go to look for a woman they wanted a relationship with.
J   That's a lot of bunk, in my estimation.  I don't agree with that.  If they understand that this is the place single people would like to go, then why wouldn't there be decent people there?  See, it doesn't follow.
B   I used to go to the Village Inn occasionally, but I never met anybody I wanted to take home or go home with.  Nobody I could relate to, ever.
J   I'm glad you didn't.
With you it was different.  If I’d had my address sticker, I would have pasted it on your forehead.  I'd talked to you for all of five minutes.  Are you ready for breakfast?.
J   No, let's talk about the night we met.  I like that.
B   You really remember? 
J    Oh boy, do I ever.  To go home in the state I was . . . it's repetitious, I know.
B   No!  No, no, no.  I want to hear it again.  
J    I kept saying the same thing over and over all the way home. I'm saying, "She should be here.  I shouldn't be alone.  I shouldn't be going in this direction.”
     That's what amazed me because I assumed I would be taking you home.  In fact, I didn't even know you were with anybody.  It shocked me when you said you were.  Geez, I was crushed.  I'm saying to myself, how can she be with anybody else and be with me as often as she is?
B   I kept coming back, didn't I? 
J   When you went outside with that fellow, I kept saying, she's got to come back.  And I must have been talking to someone at the time, and I don't know what they were saying or what I was saying.
B  June, was that her name?
J   June, that's it.  And June's friend came over.  She was rather attractive, if you like the type.
B   I don't.
J    The great part of it was that I was on vacation when you called the next day.
B   I was surprised.  I expected one of your daughters to answer, and I was going to ask her what your business number was.  She said, "Just a minute, I'll get him."
J   They heard me talking to myself the night before.  They got up and said, "Who are you talking to, Daddy?" I told them about meeting you. . . .

(1A) CAUGHT ON TAPE

First of tapes circa 1973-1975                                                                           Spring, 1973
Jack and I  
J   It’s not recording?  How can you tell?  Do you know how to control the volume?  {whistles for mike)   What?  Start the story again?  Okay.  The other night Rosalie had her head on my shoulder.  She looked up at me and said, “I smell perfume from your sweater.”  I said, “No, you don’t.   She said, “Yes, I do.  She said it was “Fridgie” or something like that.That’s the name of it.  
B  What was the name?
J   It sounded like Fridgie.  So I said, “You don’t,” and she said, “Yes, I do, and it isn’t mine, I don’t wear it.”  I said,  “I can’t smell anything, and I’ve got a very sensitive smeller.”  You know what it was, Barb?  Deodorant!  [laughter]  Yeah.  I said, “Are you sure it isn’t deodorant?”  She lifted  my sweater and took a little sniff under there, and she said she was sorry.  She was very apologetic.  I said, “Well, from now on, whatever you say, be sure you’re right.”
 {I called my ex-husband’s wife to ask if she knew what perfume in the 70s could have sounded like “fridgie,”.  “Frescia,”Aliceann said promptly, giggling over Jack’s name for this exotic product.  bbm 3-9-02}
                         -                       -                       -                       -                       -
J   It’s Sunday afternoon, and I’ve decided to record something on this . . . this thing.  I’m alone, as I wanted it to be. 
  {Much of what Jack says is so soft, it’s inaudible.  In notes I made in 1978, when my hearing was keener, I wrote that he spoke first of his kids, (Carol and Bobbie), his deceased wife (Marie) and then of me.  
      I know a lady.  I’ll never forget her.    
 {Fresh start, voice becomes clear, but with long, thoughtful pauses between sentences.}
      I find myself. . .  for the first time. . .  resenting your ex-husband.  It seems to me that I should be with you when you’re  . . when you’re not with me.  I don’t know if I should say that again and express it better.  The endless time spent without you. . . .  the swiftness of the time spent with you.  As the song goes, “If this isn’t love, it’ll have to do.” 
     I won’t call this recording something like your magazine article “Plane Deelightful.”  It’s plain truthful.  I’m not ashamed of the way I feel.  It’s difficult to be ashamed of anything when I associate me with you.  Whatever I do and think, it seems natural. . . . .  
     I don’t know what I’m going to do for the rest of the . . . well, from the time the sun is out until the time it isn’t. 
 {What Jack decides to do while I’m with Ed is to play his tape of sentimental songs.)
       “By the time I make Oklahoma, she’ll be sleeping.  She’ll turn softly and call my name out low.  She’ll cry just to think I could leave her, though time and time I’ve tried to tell her so.  She just didn’t know I would really go.”  (Ironic choice of music by Jack.  My husband used to make subtle references to this song before I understood why it was significant to him.  Two others that meant something in his double life:  “Smoke Gets in Your Eyes” and “The Great Pretender.”  He didn’t say anything, but I sensed his inner reaction.
(more songs)   “. . . .And never said a word about tomorrow. . . But if I knew the magic it would take to love you good enough on the outside and make you feel it on the inside, maybe I could make you stay. . . “
 {The vocalist sounds overcome by emotion, and so am I, almost thirty years later.  Jack abruptly turns off tape.  bbm 3-6-02} 
4-11-73
Ed and I                                                                                                                   
B   Want to hear about my phone call today?
E   Go ahead, delighted to.  While I'm making my drink, I can do that at the same time, can't I? 
B   Sure.  Somebody called and gave his name and asked for Jean.  I was about to say he had the wrong number.  Then I remembered that was the name I had used when I called the Paul Benzaquin show the other day.
     So I said what Jean do you mean, and he said the one I've heard a couple of times on  Benzaquin's show.
E   How'd he get your phone number?
B   Because when I talked to Paul, he said How about leaving your phone number with one of our people, and we'll call you back and have you stay on the line so people can call in with questions and comments.
      So I gave somebody my number ‑‑ remember I told you I got kind of a halfway obscene call about five minutes after I was on the show, and I figured it must be somebody from WEEI having a little fun with me?  [Mmhm, yeah.]
     That's how they had my phone number.  But what this man had to say, I couldn't believe.  He said we're looking for someone to do a kind of talk‑show Saturdays and wondered if you'd be interested.  Somebody like you who's been trained to talk to people but not professional. . . .to discuss a variety of topics, politics or whatever, and play devil's advocate.
       I kept saying to him, you can't be for real.  I can't believe this.  He got to be more and more convincing, so finally I said, Well I really don't feel I'd be adequate for anything like that, but why don’t you ask Thayer Williams who runs Community Sex Information. Either she might be interested in trying it, or out of all our volunteer trainees, she might think of someone who would be.
       So then I got to thinking about it afterwards and thought it's easy enough to call and check to see if there is such a person.  Why turn down the chance to meet this person if he is for real and see the studio and sit and see what he has to propose.
       I called back and learned  the man was in conference, but then he called me back late this afternoon, and he was for real, and I'm supposed to go to the Prudential Building Friday at 2:00.  He said we'll sit and chat and see how you sound on tape and have you read some commercials and news announcements.
      And I said I thought for anything like this that there must be courses you have to take.  And he said well, that's not how we get our people.  We usually get them from small, out‑of‑town stations and they've been getting a pittance, and the only way you really learn how to do this, how to put things across with vibrancy in your voice is to keep doing it.
       But I still feel, I have this funny feeling that they just want to get a look at me, that they're interested in. . .[Is this a TV thing?]  No, it's radio, but Paul's pitch had been for anybody who had had a radically different change in their lifestyle to call, so I called and used the name Jean because I didn't want to advertise for my friends in Cohasset.  I thought they might recognize my voice, but I would just deny it.
       I was trying to get in a plug for Community Sex Information.  [Yeah, I know, this was your big thing].  So I told Paul my marriage had reached a low state and I was so miserable I could hardly even get out of bed in the morning, and finally I had asked for a trial separation, and since we had been separated I felt much more friendly and kindly toward my husband, to the point where we were seeing each other twice a week, and I enjoyed seeing him, and I also had another friend I was seeing. That's when Paul said, This is really, really interesting.  What do your friends have to say about this?  And that's when he asked me to stay on the line.
       Funny, I was thinking this morning about how the producer at Channel 5 had perked up her ears when I told her about Carol Gray and how she and her husband were thinking of getting His and Her apartments in the same building, and each taking a child. She had said, That's the kind of interview we like to do.
       I had this little fantasy about somebody wanting me to be on the program, too, and I thought it through and I thought Well, I wouldn't want to do that.  I wouldn't want to . . . .
[End of tape]  
[excerpt from tape of Paul Benzaquin radio show]                                                   4-23-72
Paul:  Had a call from a woman last week.  She’s about middle age.  She realized she had been walked on, she had been just the doormat there, and her husband didn’t have any particular interest in her, so she said, I’m not going to do this any more.  She asked for a trial separation and signed on as a volunteer with the Community Sex Information Center.
        She met a man, liked him very much.  Her husband all of a sudden showed great interest in her.  She sees him two, three times a week, she sees the other guy three times a week, and she does the sex information thing in between.  Now that’s a real revolution.  {Laughter from female authors on show who had been discussing women and middle-age with Paul}
 First guest:  I think she’s a very happy lady.
 Second guest:  For being middle-aged?
 First guest:  For being anything.
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 [Argument with Jack about the pending law allowing girls under 18 to get an abortion without telling their parents]
 B   What do you want me to say, Jack?  Whatever I say you’re gonna repeat in a sarcastic way.
 J    As long as they don’t get pregnant, as long as they’re able to keep from getting pregnant and keep having all the sex they want, that’s the important thing.  That’s what they should have.  It makes for a terrific life.
B    It’s a learning process.  [Oh yeah.]  I wish I had been able to have sex without getting pregnant at 18, being pushed into a marriage before I really knew anything about character or men.  I wish I’d had the experience with him and then dated other guys.  
J   You have no tolerance for the other side whatsoever.  You don’t.
B   You mean the way things were in the past?
J    Do you think kids have to sleep with guys?
B   I only know that they’re doing it, Jack.  THEY ARE DOING IT!
J   Do you know why they’re doing it?
B  Because I said they could?
J   Because it’s accepted, that’s why.
B   It’s because of the pill, that’s why.
  Well, that’s part of the acceptance, yeah, the pill. 
B   It’s just as easy for a girl now to enjoy sex as it always was for men.
J   That’s not what we’re talking about.  Why should men have it so beautiful?  Women end up with the pregnancy, they end up with the abortion.
B  Yeah, they used to, but they don’t have to if they—
J   Oh, that makes you extremely right, I can see.  There’s a difference between men and women, but you don’t choose to believe it.
B   Of course there’s a difference.  Women have always paid the penalty, and the man didn’t have to, he got off scot-free.  Now neither one has to pay the penalty.
J   Scot-free?  Jeez, there’s more guys paying out dough for things you call scot-free—they never get off scot-free.
B  Well, then hopefully not so many of them will be paying for unwanted babies that they fathered.
J   Somebody has to pay for unwanted babies.
B  You mean like abortion?  [Yeah.]  Well that’s preferable to having a baby before you’re equipped to care for it.
J   So that makes the first part of it okay—as long as they can get rid of it.
B  What’s the first thing?  Is it the screwing that bothers you?  That’s your puritanical background.  Is that what sticks in your craw?  You just hate to think of those young people going to bed with each other, don’t you!  You think that’s terrible.  Well, then, it’s just one more thing we can’t agree on.  I don’t think it’s so terrible.
J  You think anyone who wants to go to bed, whether they’re 15, 14, or 13, anything goes.
B  No, I think that’s unfortunate.  I think parents should do all they can to explain to children that this is something they should—
J   And then forget it, forget it.
B  No, not forget it, just keep trying as long as they can, the way we all keep trying as parents.  We do the best we can, and no matter what happens about this law, you keep on doing the best you can.
J   Do you agree with this?  Do you think there should be a law that kids should be able to have an abortion without their parents knowing about it?
B  I do. I don’t think kids should have to  be trembling and worried sick, wondering, What am I going to do?  If I go to a doctor and say, Look, I’m pregnant, they’re gonna tell my parents and I know my parents are going to hit the ceiling, and it’s gonna be terrible.
 J  What would the parents—you say hit the ceiling, but what’s the outcome?  What do you think the parents would do?
B   Some mothers feel so strongly that they might force this child to have a baby she didn’t want.  And I don’t think anybody has a right to force something like that on a young girl.  I don’t think making love before marriage is such a terrible thing.  It’s a way of getting experience and getting to know the person that you may want—
J  They’re kids, Barbara, they think the guy is in love with them.
B   Jack, you try to keep them from smoking before a certain age, right?  [Oh shit, we’re not even talking about the same thing.]  You wish to God they wouldn’t smoke, you wish to God they wouldn’t get pregnant.  You do everything you can to influence them about things that—
J   Why do you talk about smoking?
B   Smoking?  Smoking could kill them.  Smoking could be a heck a lot worse for them than sex.  It could really do them in, in the end.
{long silence, then change of subject}
B   Listen to this, Jack.  I was looking through my old diaries and found this page dated July 1935.
      “He’s awfully tanned and he’s a little taller than I am.  Oh, I love him, I love him, I love him!”  That’s crossed out.  “I wish I knew whether he liked me or not. Mother probably wonders why I formed this sudden passion for golf, but I really do like the game a lot, although I like my caddy much, much much better.  I like him even better than Nelson Eddy.”
J   How old were you then?
B   A little under 14.  Then skipping ahead to August 11th, “I scratched out what I wrote on July 27 because it was so silly and childish.  Now my Big Moment is John Rush.”
     Jack, I can tell you’re not listening.  I don’t think you’re as fascinated with my 14-year-old self as I am.
J    Of course I’m fascinated.  Are you going out with Paul Benzaquin?
B   I don’t know.
J   What do you mean, you don’t know.
B  When he called me a while ago, there was only one night either one of us had free for the next two weeks, and for all I know, the whole thing might fall through.
J   Oh, wouldn’t that be terrible.  Gee, my heart bleeds for your problems.  He doesn’t have time in the day?
B   Well, how much time do you have in the day?
J    You’re comparing me to him?
B   I’m comparing any working man.
J   Oh.  {Unclear sound}
B   (laughing) I never heard that kind of sound from you before.
(Back to abortion argument)
J   I think I should be the one my daughters would turn to, but you think somebody else should take care of it.  If they become pregnant, don’t tell the parents, let the doctors take care of it.  Give them an abortion.
B   No, but see, I really do think you thought her abortion was the result of one little random trip to bed.  She just got carried away one time, wasn’t that what you thought?
J   Well, don’t say it like that, dear.  That’s where you spoil yourself, you know?  You’re perfect up to a point [Nobody’s perfect.] but then you say, Do you really think that, as if you’re so on top of things in comparison to me.
B   I’m sorry.
J   You should be.  You assert yourself.  There’s no bounds to you sometimes.
B   I’m sorry, dear.  I did think that was what you thought at the time.  [No, it’s not what you think, it’s how you say it, Barbara.]  I thought you were naïve not to realize she has probably been having—
J   Oh, I know you think she probably was, and you’re more than likely right.
B   So I think when you find your daughter has had an abortion, you don’t assume it was just one little slip—
 J   You fluff it off, as if it were nothing. You fluff it off, like that’s life, Jack.
 B   I don’t fluff it off!  I would have a serious talk with her, and I’d say, Carol, if you are going to have an intimate relationship in the future with a boy, call Community Sex Information and find out how you can protect yourself from getting pregnant so that this will not happen again.
J   Oh, I’m sure she knows how.  Are you trying to get me down?
B   I’m sorry, Jack, but a lot of unfair things do happen in life.  [Are you really?]  Well, you keep —will you quit making me say I’m sorry every two minutes?  Honestly!
J    Oh no, you’re not sorry.
B   It can’t be me.  It’s you and all that liquor you’ve been drinking.
J   Are you going out with Paul?
B   He’s not taking me out to dinner or anything.  I figured he could come out here, and we’d have a drink and—
J    Is this where the date is -- here? 
B   I don’t know, we haven’t arranged it yet.  He’ll probably come out here and—don’t guys usually pick dates up at their houses?  Didn’t you used to?  When you went out with that model, did you pick her up at her house or did she meet you somewhere? What difference does it make where we meet?  I don’t know how you could possibly think there’s anything to worry about, Jack.
J   Why don’t you go out for lunch?  Why are you having him meet you here?
B   So I can waltz him into the bedroom.  [laugh]  Okay, I’m glad you realize that’s ridiculous.
J   Well, why are you?  Why does he have to be here?
B   BECAUSE HE’S PICKING ME UP AT MY HOUSE.  [He is?  Is that a fact?]  It isn’t, but it seems like a possibility.  Or maybe he’ll say, will you meet me at such and such a place.
J   Well, how did—what was said?
B   He just kept talking, and I said I can’t do it, no, I can’t do it then either, and—
J    Can’t do it?  What do you mean?
B   I said I can’t see you this date or that date.  This night I see my ex-husband, this night I go to a lecture, this night I’ll be seeing Jack.  He said, Your schedule sounds as busy as mine.  How are your Mondays?  I said Mondays are usually the most open.
J   What was the call for?  What was the reason for it?
B   It was just a call.  I told you exactly what he said.
J    No, you didn’t.  You never told me exactly—
B   Jack, you’ve forgotten.  He called and he said, “This is Paul Benzaquin.”  [Very interesting.]  And I had to believe it because his voice is so distinctive.  And he said, You shouldn’t have let me get a look at you the other day.
J    Like you could avoid him.
B   He said I shouldn’t have come in there to see this program man at the station.  He said, I’m very impressed, you strike me as a woman who really has her head on straight.  I’d like to talk to you and get to know you a little better.  When could we get together?
J   When could we get together, he said.
B   Something like that.  I don’t remember what he said or how he said it.
J    I’ll bet he’d like to get together.
B   Now you’re being paranoid.  Jack, I’ve never had much in my life except the routine of being a mother and bringing up children and doing the mending and the carpooling and—
J   This is a big thing.  This is a big thing for you because he’s Benzaquin, and he thinks like you.
B   No, not just Benzaquin, the whole everything.  Meeting all those people at the studio and —
J    I don’t know why I make a big deal of it.  The bigger deal I make out of this, the more you’ll be attracted to him.
B   No!  Not physically.  I’ve always been attracted to his way of thinking, and he really is funny.
J    I never thought he was funny.
B   You didn’t hear him telling about the Chihuahuas.
J    I don’t want to talk about it. . . .